Pour l'accord commercial avec l'Inde, qui ne se fera pas sans en contrepartie une forte immigration indienne
Magical moment the penny drops for Brexiteer MP in Commons - "Our new working-class voters who voted Brexit did not vote to replace immigration from Europe with more immigration from the rest of the world."
Les députés du red wall, qui ont voté pour le Brexit par xénophobie et qui ont déjà encaissé la hausse de l'immigration irrégulière via la Manche (environ 28.000 traversées l'année dernière) réalisent qu'ils risquent de voir remplacer l'immigration polonaise par des indiens.
Comme l'évoque un posteur de reddit il y a deux lignes irréconciliables
There is an unbridgable gap between what different groups of brexiteers want to achieve from the project.
For many working-class brexiteers it was about protectionism. They thought if you stop immigration there would be less competition for jobs and their wages would go up as a result. When you combine that with the better services they were promised on the side of a bus it sounded good.
For the tory ERG types it was about the ability to reduce protections for workers, reduce regulations, allow lower standards and thus increase profits for the wealthy business owners and investors. For this to work they need cheap labour to generate the wealth for them. This is only realistically achievable with immigration meeting the demand and keeping wages down.
It seems obvious to me the working class brexiteers were fooled into supporting something against their interests. Immigration from europe will be replaced with immigration from the third world and wages will go down for all unskilled and semi-skilled labour.
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Plus intéressant et pour ceux qui ont le temps, un essai sur l'identité britannique vs l'identité anglaise, écossaise, irlandaise.
Je ne vous mets pas l'introduction, on va me dire que je suis trop critique, même si elle est terriblement percutante, je trouve que le plus intéressant c'est que le Royaume-Uni ressemble en fait beaucoup à l'Europe dans sa cohabitation de nations aux identités différentes
The problem is that Britain is not a traditional country like France, Germany, or even the United States. “Britain,” here, is shorthand for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland—a collection of nations and territories, combining England, Scotland, Wales, and the disputed land of Northern Ireland—while also being a legitimate, sovereign, and unitary nation-state itself.
With the passing of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, it is now one of the rare states in the Western world whose name is not simply the nation it represents: The United Kingdom is more than Britain and the British.
Some of its citizens believe themselves to be British, while others say they are not British at all; others say they are British and another nationality—Scottish or Welsh, say. In Northern Ireland it is even more complicated, with some describing themselves as only British while others say they are only Irish.
Avec des références à l'œuvre d'où est tirée Le Guépard
Il aborde aussi le problème structurel de gouvernance du RU
The central problem is this: With a separate Scottish Parliament, Scottish voters can elect lawmakers to the British Parliament in Westminster, whose votes decide policies that only apply in England. English voters, meanwhile, have no say over policies decided by the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, even though the money used to pay for these policies is raised by the British government.
This structural problem has no solution, either, because to create an English parliament on a similar footing to the Scottish one would mean that the most important person in the country would no longer be the British prime minister, but whoever ran the new English assembly.
Est-ce que finalement l'idéal pour les anglais n'est pas d'en finir avec la Grande-Bretagne et de se transformer en une "grosse Hollande" ?
One of the problems in Britain is that the loss of faith in the country is now so pervasive that it is hard to know whether it can be rebuilt. The union is not only being questioned by Welsh, Irish, and Scottish nationalists, but also, now, by the once-unionist middle classes in England for whom Brexit has broken a bit of the faith they had in Britain.
Some simply no longer believe it’s worth saving—that like Butlin’s, it is somehow shameful or anachronistic. They actively prefer the thought of being a less powerful but more settled European country: a greater Holland rather than a mini United States.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...urvive/621095/
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