[Gaelynn]

Scott Hartsmann vient de publier un message pour présenter la beta 5 sur les forums officiels anglophones :

(note : il manque quelques illustrations dans la copie qui suit, le mieux est de le lire sur le site off)

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Hi, everyone -- Since the beta NDA is officially off, we wanted to post this here where those who couldn't make it to this beta would get a chance to see what we've been up to as well. Enjoy!

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Beta 5 Preview - It's been a busy couple weeks!

We’ve tried to take as much advantage of the relative calm between Beta 4 and Beta 5 as we possibly could. Here are some of the highlights to look forward to in Beta 5 tomorrow. We'd like to detail a number of them and also shed some light on a few things for Beta 6 and beyond.

New For Beta 5

We're expecting Beta 5 to be at least twice as big as beta 4! By the end of Beta 4, we were running a total of 18 servers. 8 in our Europe datacenter and 10 in the US. This time we're opening up with 16 in each region, for a total of 32 servers, all with higher population caps, more than doubling the number of people who can be online at once.
If you get caught in too long of a queue during the middle of beta, know that we'll be keeping an eye out to see if we need to open even more.
Public Grouping. This was a big one for us -- just about the single most requested item -- and we're really happy to have it in game for you to try out already.

First, as you're wandering around the world and target people, if they're solo or ingroups/raids that are willing to accept new public members, you'll see a new button in the target frame that lets you join their group or merge your group into theirs if it fits.



Second, when you walk into an area where there's an event occurring (or an event like an invasion walks up to you), if there are other friendly players in the area who are open to grouping, you'll see a button up on the top of the screen that lets you join the nearest Public Group.



Note that if your group merges and gets automatically upgraded into a Raid, you shouldn't take a huge XP penalty as with most games. Since Raiding is a valid way to play through the levelling up experience in Rift, most notably in mass zone events, we want to ensure that XP gains there are meaningful and fun.
Planar Foci and Currencies. An entire new character sheet awaits! Foci weren't as clear as they could be and Planar Currencies were taking up too much inventory space. The stats display was a little crowded at times as well. We've got a new version of the character sheet in place the addresses many of the issues people had been commenting on. Expect continued polish and functionality here in the future, and we hope you enjoy the inventory space reclamation in the meanwhile.
In terms of currencies, to make the whole system make more sense in general, the older per-zone token currencies are now various tiers of Sourcestone, and the common event tokens are now a single currency called Planarite. Expect to see more uses for these over time, including expansions of wardstone reinforcement and other world offense/defense metagame elements.
Rogue Energy. Rogue energy regeneration got a rework this update, and it definitely does feel a lot better. Give it a crack and let us know if you like the new responsiveness and lack of energy starvation!

Tab Targeting / Target Nearest. Tab targeting got a significant usability upgrade, and Target Nearest Friendly / Target Nearest Enemy are now bindable functions with F6 and F7.

Key Bindings. "How do I bind hotkeys?!" If you've been in beta, you've seen this question. A lot.
Our method of keybinding hotbars where you just mouse over the hotbar then press the letter was confusing a lot of people. It was the most asked "how do I" question throughout the beta so far. Our original way is still there, but the old-school method of listing out each keybind in the keybinds window has been added as well.
Discoveries and Firsts. As items, creatures and achievements get discovered for the first time, the game now keeps track of how many you’ve been the first to find. The messages around this are going to be a bit too frequent through the opening of beta, but will calm down rapidly as elements in the world are Discovered. It’s a system that we’re still tuning, and your feedback is definitely appreciated.

Ranged Weapon Sounds. We've had comments in the past on the sounds of these not being meaty enough. We've been taking those to heart, and we agree. We’ve started to improve some of these sounds and will continue to do so throughout the life of the game. See if you can pick out the new ones, and let us know what you think!

PvP Auto Flag. This is now an option available under Settings -> Interface -> Combat. You can disable it if you wish to not be automatically flagged while in PvE areas/servers.

Invasion Improvements. Invasions as a whole got some significant love this update. Expect a lot more variance in their size, and much better adaptability to the sizes of defending forces. (Which means you'll be a lot less likely to see a rift send out three waves of elite packs to deal with a relatively undefended area. They’re not supposed to be Global Steamrollers.)
On their Leashing and Social Aggro: Invasions were previously an all-or-nothing kind of experience. With larger numbers of players getting involved, they would leash and reset the whole invasion too frequently, and it was an item we got a lot of feedback on. We've addressed this in Beta 5. If you can peel one off while the others are distracted, more power to you!
New Visible Stats. Along with the new character sheet, you're going to see two stats that were previously not being displayed: Toughness and Valor.
Toughness is a PvE Tanking stat. Its purpose is provide a defensive upgrade path in upper tiers of PvE content, and is one more way to ensure that tanks can progress in PvE without being broken-overpowered in PvP due to their PvE gear. (PvE gear is still very useful, just not overpowering.)

Just like high end casters need Focus and physical DPS need some amount of Hit, high end tanks need Toughness to deal with more difficult monsters. All that said, Toughness, Focus and Hit make up a small amount of the overall stat distribution that you’ll see on your PvE items.
Valor is a PvP damage reduction stat. It's been in the game for quite some time and is now showing up on the new character sheet and in the tooltips for items that provide it.

Our game supports both PvP and PvE progression. A stat like Valor gives us an important tool to use in tuning the high end of those progressions.

NPCs and Players are not balanced identically, nor should they be. The pace of play is very different between the two styles. Fun PvE and fun PvP are generally two very different things. Nerfing PvE abilities for the sake of PvP, as other games have found themselves forced to do, is something that we're trying to avoid wherever possible,

In providing a good PvP progression, we need to ensure that we can provide good rewards, without forcing people to play a part of the game they might not care to.

PvE gear remains competitive in PvP, and PvP gear remains competitive in PvE. It just won't be a trump card in the opposite style of play. You shouldn't expect to need to "grind" two full sets of gear just to have fun.

A stat like Valor is one more tool we can use to ensure that, for instance, the ideal PvP rewards do not become the de-facto best PvE Tanking rewards in the game. (Without Valor, significant PvP survivability also becomes PvE survivability…and, conversely, the best PvE DPS loot would become the de-facto best PvP DPS loot). We’d effectively be forcing people to gear up one way just to succeed at the other, since NPCs are balanced much differently than players.

Some people think these are a great idea, and others are less than thrilled due to negative experiences with related-sounding mechanics in other games that provide E-Sport style PvP, which we have intentionally not included and do not have plans to. Other games have their issues to design for, and we have ours. The two are definitely different.
Q: Am I going to have to "grind" two sets of gear the entire time?

A: No. Gear from each kind of play is competitive in the other side. It's just not overpowering to the other side. It remains a great head start. We expect that the highest end PvP and PvE'ers will choose to care, but the majority won't find that its existence impacts their gameplay in a negative way, since we are not balancing the game around any kind of E-Sport style Arenas, as other games have.

Q: Why can't you balance everything around Health?

A: Players are infinitely smarter than creatures, and abilities are used in both PvE and PvP. Having PvP damage reduction be purely about health would create a situation where almost necessitate PvE tanks to have to gear up via PvP. We are primarily trying to ensure that people who choose to only take part in one style of play aren't "forced" to take part in the other.

We like to think that we've so far been pretty good at reacting once things have proven to work or not work in Rift. As with any other mechanic in the game, we'll be keeping an eye on it. If it's making the game not fun, it will be addressed.

Here's what's on deck for future Betas:

Activated Racial Abilities. We know that some of them are overpowered and bring the whole concept out of whack. Our original idea was: "let's make sure these things are really fun." In our doing this, they've almost turned into a powergamer IQ test. It's not good for anyone if we effectively lock a race to a given play style. (e.g. all Tanks must be one race and all DPS must be another, or you're Doing It Wrong). Expect updates to the racials following this beta.

Master Loot. Yes, it's coming! Groups and raids will be able to have a Master Looter who's in charge of assigning out loot.

Collections merge into the new Character Sheet. "Where are my mounts? Where are my titles?" Now that we've designed a character sheet that can fit them in a way that looks good and is more usable, collections will make their way into it as well.

War Powers. We have a lot of consumable items in the game that are focused on the idea of the war between the planes and the rifts and the land-control meta game. Expect a special place for them in the Abilities tab and a resource to power them soon. Time to get them out of your inventory, provide a better sense of discovering them, and get them into a place where they make a whole lot more sense. Expect more details here in the future.


We're looking forward to this largest Beta we've ever run. While there will definitely be some bumps, we'll be right there with you the entire time to make sure everything goes as well as it possibly can.

- The RIFT Development Team

[Tengu]

euh doublon...
mais j'ai pas voulu ouvrir un autre thread....

[Gaelynn]

^^ Désolé Argarthas

Plein de trucs sympa je trouve :

- 32 serveurs dispo, avec des capacités d'accueil pour chaque augmenté !
- Groupes publics lors des Rifts/invasions comme dans WAR
- Le système d'energie des voleurs amélioré
etc.

[Tengu]

Pas de sushi c'est plus propre et y a des trucs sympa en complément du Podcast..

mais chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut... y en a qui seraient capable de venir...


par contre je comprends pas la subtilité/utilité de ..
PvP Auto Flag. This is now an option available under Settings -> Interface -> Combat. You can disable it if you wish to not be automatically flagged while in PvE areas/servers.

bon j'avais dit que je posterais plus mais bon peu pas jouer alors...

[Sid Shalys]

*invocation de Sennah*

[Tengu]

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Publié par Salynia Shalys

*invocation de Sennah*

non mais j'ai un anglais à coté de moi et il connait pas les mmo... juste que je comprends pas le mécanisme/principe... vu qu'ils avaient corrigé le buf du flag pvp en retour de bg et cimetière sur un serveur pve...

[Warface Gx]

Hmmm...si je comprend bien, ils vont rajouter un zone spécifique pour les consos des rifts (qui prenait souvent pratiquement un sac...), une bonne nouvelle ça, à voir s'ils feront de même avec les objets de quêtes comme c'est déjà le cas sur certains jeux.

[Arsh]

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Publié par Agarthas

non mais j'ai un anglais à coté de moi et il connait pas les mmo... juste que je comprends pas le mécanisme/principe... vu qu'ils avaient corrigé le buf du flag pvp en retour de bg et cimetière sur un serveur pve...

En gros plus de roaming dans les zones PVE ennemies, puisque "Barrière magique !". Enfin, je le comprends comme ça.

[Tengu]

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Publié par Warface Gx

Hmmm...si je comprend bien, ils vont rajouter un zone spécifique pour les consos des rifts (qui prenait souvent pratiquement un sac...), une bonne nouvelle ça, à voir s'ils feront de même avec les objets de quêtes comme c'est déjà le cas sur certains jeux.

aaah c'est pour les pierres abyssales !!!
merci !!

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[Thorkas]

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Publié par Agarthas

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PvP Auto Flag. This is now an option available under Settings -> Interface -> Combat. You can disable it if you wish to not be automatically flagged while in PvE areas/servers.

On pourra désactiver le fait d'être flaggé PvP automatiquement lorsqu'on heal/buff un allié qui est en PvP. C'est tout, ça ne change strictement rien sur la (non) dynamique PvP des serveurs PvE. N'esperez même pas un instant que ça permette de healer sans risque. Pas de flag PvP = pas de heal sur l'allié en PvP.

Edit pour en dessous : vi obviously

Edit 2 avant que 12 personnes ne posent la même question

[Gaelynn]

Je suppose donc dans ce cas que tu ne pourras pas Buff/heal un joueur déjà flaggé, sinon bonjour les abus

[Tengu]

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Publié par Thorkas

On pourra désactiver le fait d'être flaggé PvP automatiquement lorsqu'on heal/buff un allié qui est en PvP. C'est tout, ça ne change strictement rien sur la (non) dynamique PvP des serveurs PvE.

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Vindiou ! (je reste poli là....)
euh attend ...
X Gardien JCJ attaque Y renegat mon copain en JCJ...
avec cette option je peux soigner Y en restant intouchable jcj ???
t'es sur là ???

Edit ... j'espere que Gaelynn a raison...

[Arsh]

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Publié par Thorkas

On pourra désactiver le fait d'être flaggé PvP automatiquement lorsqu'on heal/buff un allié qui est en PvP. C'est tout, ça ne change strictement rien sur la (non) dynamique PvP des serveurs PvE.

Par contre, ça va changer la dynamique des serveurs PVP en zone PVE ennemie... tel que c'est écrit là en gros, le healer qui a sélectionné cette option, pourra healer un allié qui sera flaggé PVP sans risque.

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Publié par Gaelynn

Je suppose donc dans ce cas que tu ne pourras pas Buff/heal un joueur déjà flaggé, sinon bonjour les abus

Clairement O_o


Sinon le chapitre parlant du stuff PVE / PVP... assez important comme choix, avec la petite phrase de fin qui va bien :
Some people think these are a great idea, and others are less than thrilled due to negative experiences with related-sounding mechanics in other games that provide E-Sport style PvP, which we have intentionally not included and do not have plans to. Other games have their issues to design for, and we have ours. The two are definitely different

Ça a le mérite d'être clair.

[SHA-512]

Excellentissime post de Scott

[Tengu]

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Par contre, ça va changer la dynamique des serveurs PVP en zone PVE ennemie... tel que c'est écrit là en gros, le healer qui a sélectionné cette option, pourra healer un allié qui sera flaggé PVP sans risque.

Clairement O_o

Donc ça contredit ce que dit Thorkas ???

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Publié par Shinael

Sinon le chapitre parlant du stuff PVE / PVP... assez important comme choix, avec la petite phrase de fin qui va bien :
Some people think these are a great idea, and others are less than thrilled due to negative experiences with related-sounding mechanics in other games that provide E-Sport style PvP, which we have intentionally not included and do not have plans to. Other games have their issues to design for, and we have ours. The two are definitely different

Ça a le mérite d'être clair.

Donc pas de stuff abyssall pvp +Roxxor 3000 ? j'ai bon là ?

[Arsh]

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Publié par Agarthas

Donc ça contredit ce que dit Thorkas ???

Donc pas de stuff abyssall pvp +Roxxor 3000 ? j'ai bon là ?

Ben, ce que dit Thorkas serait d'une logique implacable... sauf que dans les mots choisis pas Scott... c'est pas super clair. Enfin, on va voir demain :P

Oui... pas de stuff abyssal de la mort. <3

[Tengu]

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Publié par Shinael

Ben, ce que dit Thorkas serait d'une logique implacable... sauf que dans les mots choisis pas Scott... c'est pas super clair. Enfin, on va voir demain :P.

alors pour info c'est un "pve server feature" donc ca touche que les serveurs pve
mais ca me rassure, parce que bon on avait traduit comme toi mais ca fumait grave dans les effets

[Thorkas]

Pensez que les devs de rifts ne sont pas complètement stupides. Sisi, je vous jure

Le fait de passer en PvP automatiquement lorsqu'on healait un allié sur les serveur PvE était critiqué depuis le début. C'était la solution évidente que tout le monde demandait et attendait.

[Tengu]

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Publié par Thorkas

Pensez que les devs de rifts ne sont pas complètement stupides. Sisi, je vous jure

Le fait de passer en PvP automatiquement lorsqu'on healait un allié sur les serveur PvE était critiqué depuis le début. C'était la solution évidente que tout le monde demandait et attendait.

Je ne dis pas le contraire mais même moi (oui je le dis ) je trouve ca mega abusé si ça marche comme ça... en gros un dps en jcj tu le heal jcj off...euh :

heureusement que c'est sur un serveur pve uniquement...

[Arsh]

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Publié par Thorkas

Pensez que les devs de rifts ne sont pas complètement stupides. Sisi, je vous jure

Ouais mais qu'il nous balance pas des bombes comme ça alors...
Parce que j'ai eu un moment d'absence là... en train de m'imaginer à chain heal un mec en train de se latter 3 ennemis... et 2 autres qui me regardent la bave aux lèvres sans pouvoir me dézinguer

[Gaelynn]

Moi ce qui m'intrigue positivement c'est dans ce qui sera implémenté pour les betas suivantes :

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War Powers. We have a lot of consumable items in the game that are focused on the idea of the war between the planes and the rifts and the land-control meta game. Expect a special place for them in the Abilities tab and a resource to power them soon. Time to get them out of your inventory, provide a better sense of discovering them, and get them into a place where they make a whole lot more sense. Expect more details here in the future.

Traduis :

Pouvoirs de Guerre. Nous avons beaucoup d'objets consommables dans le jeu qui sont focalisés sur l'idée de la guerre entre les plans et les failles et le méta-jeu de contrôle des terres. Attendez vous à un endroit spécial pour eux dans l'onglet des Capacités et une ressource pour les utiliser bientôt. Il est temps de les sortir de votre inventaire, de leur donner un meilleur sentiment de découverte et de les placer dans un endroit ou ils ont une bien plus grande signification. Plus de détails dans le futur. (NDT : C'est un coup des renégats ?)

[Comalies]

Et sinon quelqu'un a vu trainer le patchnote pour la beta 5?

[Tengu]

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In providing a good PvP progression, we need to ensure that we can provide good rewards, without forcing people to play a part of the game they might not care to.

je reve !!!

[Tengu]

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Publié par Comalies

Et sinon quelqu'un a vu trainer le patchnote pour la beta 5?

non et celui qui traine sur google il est sous nda car concerne Omega uniquement...
donc a mon avis on l'aura demain ... mais bon entre le podcastt et ce message je crois qu'on est fixé...