[sylhvana]

je m'y perds un peu on m'a toujours dit qu'avec respect all on perdait les points d'auto train qui peut me confirmer cette info?Merci

[Cestbienmoi]

Il faut voir le respec comme une déspécialisation qui respecte le minimum que donne l'auto train, donc si tu as 30 dans une branche autotrain, tu va récupérer 30+29+28...+13+12.
A remarquer que les /level n'ont pas d'autotrain.

[zeihuezihufeziuh]

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Publié par sylhvana

je m'y perds un peu on m'a toujours dit qu'avec respect all on perdait les points d'auto train qui peut me confirmer cette info?Merci

c'est faux, tu ne perds pas tes points d'autotrain avec une respec all

[sylhvana]

Pour confirmation j'ai écrit à DAOC europe concernant les point d'auto train voici leur réponse:
Bonjour,

Comme l'indique la FAQ, une respecialisation vous fait perdre le bénéfice d'une compétence ayant profité d'un "auto-train".
Cordialement,
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Gestionnaire de Communauté Dark Age of Camelot

voila

[Kaellie/Kaellye]

tu ne perd pas ton auto train

mais apres une respe tu aura ton niveau/4 dans les ligne qui auto train ( points pris dans ta reserve de point)

il y a des screens sur jol ( mais c'est asez vieux pour les trouver c'est pas gagner) ou tu vois que la personne a les points d'auto train apres respe

exemple
une ombre a 3253 point a metre au 50 elle a auto train 24 ( soit un gain de 20 points)
apres respe elle aura 12 en fufu et 3196 point a metre. hors calcul simple : 3196+77 ( les 12 en fufu) = 3253+20 ( l'auto train 20) le screen etait de Ide une ombre de Ys

[GrimGhor]

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Publié par sylhvana

Pour confirmation j'ai écrit à DAOC europe concernant les point d'auto train voici leur réponse:
Bonjour,

Comme l'indique la FAQ, une respecialisation vous fait perdre le bénéfice d'une compétence ayant profité d'un "auto-train".
Cordialement,
----------------------------------
Gestionnaire de Communauté Dark Age of Camelot

voila

Au moins c clair

[Urum]

comme dirais St GoA

YakaPa foiré sont template ^^

[Kaellie/Kaellye]

je prefere les tests IG a la reponse de GOA + differents message de mysthic :


source Mysthic

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Q: I am confused about how the full respec will work with autotraining. Can you clarify?

A: Let’s start with some background. Autotraining is a feature of the game for some classes, but not all of them. One class that has autotrain is the paladin – they have slash and chants as skills that autotrain up (extremely slowly) IF they do not choose to train those skills of their own accord. If a paladin never puts a single point into slash, by the time he is level 28, he will have a spec of 7 in slash. Those seven levels of points are "free" and don't come from any specializing or leveling. If he gets to 48 without ever training in slash, he will have autotrained up to a spec level of 12. Again, those seventy plus points just magically appear. This feature went into the game a long time ago, and was intended to prevent a player from entirely gimping himself.

Whether the feature serves its intended function, or has become instead a tool used primarily by players known as "min/maxers" or "kind of scary" is not the point of this wee essay, and an entirely separate discussion. Certainly the discussion coming from my badly worded and, well, WRONG note the other day has been carefully observed and passed up the chain.

When we first introduced autotrain, the game would use your spec points FOR you, to make sure you never fell below a certain level. The public outcry was great, and to cut to the chase, we fixed autotrain so that it did not take your points. Instead, if autotrain kicks in, it creates the points and adds them to your total.

This is why some people have a few more points than others of the same class.

The free points thing sounds like a much bigger deal than it actually is. For instance, going back to our paladin example, a pally has two lines with the autotrain option – chants and slash. I do not think there is a single paladin that would try and level to fifty without putting any points at all into chants, do you?

A player who autotrained, and accepted the fact that he was going to be gimped just to get that handful of extra points, has more points total than a player who did not autotrain. It’s a severe tradeoff for very little reward, but the reward does exist.

Now, on to the respec thing. When you activate your respec, the game will check your character to see if you have any autotrain lines that have a minimum attached to them. If our paladin is level 50, the game will automatically assign points to the autotrain lines until they are both at 12, before our paladin does anything else. (The game calculates what the minimum level should be depending on your level.)

Why? Well, if a player autotrained, the points he had were “free” – and to prevent abuse of the system, those free points must be assigned to the line from which they came. However, code is an if/then, either/or kind of thing, and the game cannot tell if the training you did at level whatever was the result of an autotrain or a choice on your part. So the points are automatically deducted.

NOW we're getting to the whole "lost" thing. If you try to spec out of a line that you autotrained into a line you did not autotrain, you will not be able to spec it as high. That's because when you train, autotrain lines AUTOMATICALLY take however many points that would have been gathered via autotraining. You can thus get lines with autotrain back to the same level they were before you respec'ed, but lines without cannot go that high.

Points are not technically lost. But they can, in some specific circumstances, be lost to YOU – and customer service is COMPLETELY UNABLE to remove the points from the autotrained line and give them to you to use.

And just in case it helps, here’s a wee chart showing which classes get what, and how many “free” points you might have at which levels, if you don’t ever, ever put points into an autotrained line:



ALBION
Class Skills Auto Trained
Armsman Slashing, Thrusting
Infiltrator Stealth
Mercenary Slashing, Thrusting
Minstrel Instruments
Paladin Chants, Slashing
Reaver Slashing, Flexible Weapons
Scout Long Bows

HIBERNIA
Class Skills Auto Trained
Nightshade Stealth
Ranger Recurved Bows

MIDGARD
Class Skills Auto Trained
Shadowblade Stealth
Warrior Axes, Hammers, Swords

LEVELS AUTO TRAINED
Level Level of spec (counting from one) auto trained if no training points have been spent in the skill
1 1
8 2
12 3
16 4
20 5
24 6
28 7
32 8
36 9
40 10
44 11
48 12

en gros la "perte" des points d'autro train vient du fait que les lignes qui auto train sont au minimum a 12 ( points pris sur la reserve de point avec les point auto train compris )
exemple
prenons un pala qui a auto train tranchant ET chants ( gain de 144 points)
avant respe il aurait :
48 chant 50 bouclier 34 tranchant 12 parrade
il veut respe deux main estoc il aura donc :
48 chant 50 deux mainx 31 estoc 12 parrade et 12 tranchant
les 12 en tranchant etant le minimum possible et font "perdre" l'auto train tranchant ( mais pas chant)

il serait spe 2 mains tranchant il aurait
48 chant 50 deux main 34 tranchant 12 parrade
il n'a pas perdu de points d'auto train